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#1 AlternativeWeb

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 04:42 AM

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Update: Post order is now back to normal; many uploaders didn't like the reverse orders



Recent post shows up as the first post and oldest goes on the bottom & last page.

As we all know, old links dies out over time and there are many people who still don't fully understand the concept of forums.
If we keep the old post first, then they may find every thread are dead links.

Also, search engine index the first few pages of the thread, but if it index dead links first, then it's just a waste of traffic.

I'm not sure if this would actually work better for PPS/PPD, but we shall see in a few days, but of course, I would need your feedback.
Let me know if this is working better for you or not, see if you're making more / less money in the next few days and report back here.

Edited by Buez, 17 November 2011 - 06:02 PM.
Post order is now back to normal; many uploaders didn't like the reverse orders

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#2 Jinks

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 09:55 AM

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Makes my thread look stupid
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Posted 21 August 2011 - 10:19 AM

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Buez! It's all backwards! :wacko:

Seriously though, I find it jarringly unintuitive. It just feels wrong when I have to scroll to the bottom to post at the top of the page.
I think this might affect me more directly as my threads are of complete series in chronological order...reverse chronological order now...and it does not seem right to go to the last page to get to the start; where most people would begin.

I understand your reasoning and, indeed, it is very frustrating to encounter a batch of dead links, especially after a laborious search.

If a post has dead links then would it not be best to simply delete it? If the original poster is not prepared to change out dead links for new live ones then why should you keep such a useless post on the forum? Surely users should report dead links, admin should alert the original poster and if the links aren't replaced then the post is deleted. I don't know though, perhaps that is impractical.

At any rate, as a user and a poster I have to say that I do not like the reverse order at all but lets see what others have to say too.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 11:09 AM

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the main problem i have with this is that i post siterips with actors in alpahbetic order. and with a banner in the first post. so now it is all messed up :P
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Posted 21 August 2011 - 08:51 PM

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Buez! It's all backwards! :wacko:

Seriously though, I find it jarringly unintuitive. It just feels wrong when I have to scroll to the bottom to post at the top of the page.
I think this might affect me more directly as my threads are of complete series in chronological order...reverse chronological order now...and it does not seem right to go to the last page to get to the start; where most people would begin.

I understand your reasoning and, indeed, it is very frustrating to encounter a batch of dead links, especially after a laborious search.

If a post has dead links then would it not be best to simply delete it? If the original poster is not prepared to change out dead links for new live ones then why should you keep such a useless post on the forum? Surely users should report dead links, admin should alert the original poster and if the links aren't replaced then the post is deleted. I don't know though, perhaps that is impractical.

At any rate, as a user and a poster I have to say that I do not like the reverse order at all but lets see what others have to say too.

Fretburn.


agreed. if theres a bunch of dead links you just delete the threads.
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Posted 22 August 2011 - 04:16 PM

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agreed. if theres a bunch of dead links you just delete the threads.


Jinks, if threads were to be deleted for dead links, 95% of the threads in this forum would be deleted. Not only that, I really don't feel like sorting through thousands of threads every week checking for dead links.

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I understand many of you guys have indexes and series, but it's already flawed if the links are dead. I had debated over this for a long time and you all have valid points which I had already considered, but the best thing to do right now is to give it a week and see if earnings increase. I mean, isn't that the point of posting in the first place?
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Posted 22 August 2011 - 07:05 PM

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I had debated over this for a long time and you all have valid points which I had already considered, but the best thing to do right now is to give it a week and see if earnings increase. I mean, isn't that the point of posting in the first place?


I guess it is not for everyone. I am posting because I consider it a nice distraction: Then again I am old enough to remember the days when it wasn't about money at all. So, as long as I can cover the costs for all my premium accounts and servers (a lot) I won't complain. The money isn't worth the time I invest in uploading, downloading, renaming, indexing etc. Of course I could easily maximize my earnings, but after being a downloader myself for several years, there are certain things I refuse to do.

If I could choose between this new sorting or a couple $ less a week I would pick the latter, Of course it is your forum and you can do what you want, but I will never get used to this aweful structure.
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Posted 22 August 2011 - 07:25 PM

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Then again I am old enough to remember the days when it wasn't about money at all.


Porn Share Project is actually a project I had been working on since 2001. It was never about the money, but back in the days, there were no such thing as FileHostings and renting your own server cost 5x as much as it cost today and I had to shut it down because traffic was too high and I wasn't able to support the server fee. There were no profit from doing this, but building a community was always something I wanted to do. It was great having a community back then and everyone was active getting to know one another even though it was mainly a sausage farm - lol, but it was a great community. However, these days, I clearly see things had changed where people don't really appreciate the effort of uploaders/posters and site admins.

Even though servers are a bit cheaper now, a site with this much traffic cannot be hosted on a shared hosting, but instead forced to rent a dedicated server which is costing me $100 a month out of my own pocket each month. I did receive a donation from total of $125, but that only covered a month. I even requested for uploaders to use my referral to help pay for the server cost, but no signs up under them. So, even though it's not all about the money, I would at least like to be able to pay for the server fees.

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 12:36 AM

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Believe me, I get it. I pay around $110 a month to host my forum (eventhough it is small) and additional servers, premium accs etc.
Just saying earnings aren't the whole point of posting. Considering the time I invest in it, it would probably be the worst paid job ever, if it even were a job ;)
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Posted 23 August 2011 - 03:24 AM

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I agree. Also, I think that anyone who takes the time to make their threads neat and ordered is usually doing it as a hobby. There are plenty of people who just throw their links all over the place with seemingly no concept of aestheitcs or consitancy, which I find utterly repellant, and it is invariably threads or posts such as these that are rife with dead links.

I don't think that an entire thread should be deleted simply because some of the links are dead; that is unfair to the poster. But, this forum is a community and as such should work together to maintain that community. Rather like the broken windows theory; if links are dead they should be replaced as soon as possible.

If a poster is happy to upload new content while leaving a trail of dead links behind him then his old posts should be deleted. It should be the resposibility of the poster to monitor his content but, sadly, some people can't be bothered. It is often a minority that spoils it for the majority which is upsetting and, at the risk of sounding like a bitter old man, I see it more and more; usually kids, with a lack of respect for other people, people's property and the community they live in.

Anyway, I like it here, reverse order or not. Buez, you made me feel welcome here and I appreciate that, if you need help monitoring links then please ask; I'm sure I'm not alone in wishing to help.
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Posted 23 August 2011 - 01:31 PM

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not at all a fan of this, especially because most users are caught off guard by this change. They are not likely to hunt around for this thread explaining the change. If anything you should go back to the way it was and give users the option in their control panel to change it. It simply goes against the regular conventions of 99.9% of all other forums around, so to go backwards to that is just going to cause confusion.
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#12 AlternativeWeb

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Posted 23 August 2011 - 08:58 PM

@boohoo: I used to teach a web design class at my local university, but they abandoned that department due to lack of funding. It's now been over a year and my only form of income is freelance work. The last project I worked on I didn't get paid for it. My client said "All productions in China has stopped.. . blah blah blah, but I understand I still need to pay you for your time.. . " it's now been 6 months and he not picking up his phone, nor is he replying back to my emails. It's not easy finding new clients in this economy, so breaking even is my priority at the moment. I'm not going to lie, it would be nice to make a profit doing what I love -- designing and maintaining a good website.

So, until then, I really have no choice but to try new things or sell this project.. . which is never going to happen. I had people from Oron contacting me about buying this site, but I had to turn them down. Ross from Uploading.com also contacted me and asked about making this forum using their hosting service exclusively, but again, I had to turn them down. Had I took their offer, I would had been making good money, but it's not about the profits. I actually enjoy building a good community, but at this moment, I have to try out different things to keep it going and within my controls instead of sell it.


@fretburn: Of course I wouldn't delete the whole thread due to a few dead links, but I had done this for threads that had over 90% of their links dead. Checking and deleting links on my own was fine when we first started, but now the community is starting to populate. I had mods helping do this before the upgrade, but even for a group of 10 people it was just too much work and they just stopped checking and deleting dead links. I just figured there has to be another way to go around this problem, so this is when i figured maybe reversing the orders would help midagate some of the issues it been causing.


@J-Wo: Judging from the amount of post you had created, it's good to finally hear a downloader's opinion. However, I am a bit surprised you didn't like this idea, but I realize you followed Tasis here. I'm not sure if he cleans his post, but I would assume he replaces dead links judging from the replies/comments he gets from IntPorn. The problem is mainly with the uploaders who don't clean/replace dead links, but I see many of you guys are not happy with this change. Lets give it till the end of the week and well see from there.

--- @everyone: It's good to know not everyone uses auto posters and actually comes by to comment. Since I do know there still people around who does this as a hobby, maybe we can have a VIP section for people who maintains their threads.

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Hardcore Videos - VIP Threads
Hardcore Videos - Mega Threads
Hardcore Videos - New Threads
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Posted 24 August 2011 - 07:01 AM

@boohoo: I used to teach a web design class at my local university, but they abandoned that department due to lack of funding. It's now been over a year and my only form of income is freelance work. The last project I worked on I didn't get paid for it. My client said "All productions in China has stopped.. . blah blah blah, but I understand I still need to pay you for your time.. . " it's now been 6 months and he not picking up his phone, nor is he replying back to my emails. It's not easy finding new clients in this economy, so breaking even is my priority at the moment. I'm not going to lie, it would be nice to make a profit doing what I love -- designing and maintaining a good website.


I'm not blaming you for that. I guess nobody minds making some profit. Just for me it's not all that important. If you don't just dump your vids uploding requires a lot of time. So if it was for the money, I would do something paying better (I'm a student). And it's not just the time. Some people can't even be bothered to press a thanks button anymore. Add the people who just remote upload your vids and are too lazy to even make their own screenshots, as well as those funny people who have nothing better to do than reporting your links...

I'm still enjoying this stuff, but some people sure are trying their best to change that. I guess if I wouldn't consider it as a hobby rather than a job I just couldn't do it anymore lol
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Posted 25 August 2011 - 04:36 AM

It's been about 3 days now, do you guys see an increase in earnings?
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Posted 26 August 2011 - 04:34 AM

My posts and other threads appear in the regular order to me now; I'm sure they didn't this morning though. I was starting to get used to the reverse ordering, it's not so bad really. I have not noticed an increase in earnings but is three days really a big enough window to see a consistent rise or drop? A whole week should be a better measure. Anyway, we'll see what others have to say.
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Posted 26 August 2011 - 07:36 AM

It seemed like everyone was hating on it, so I thought I keep it short, but if everyone see an increase in earnings, then I'll try it again for a a week.
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Posted 28 August 2011 - 10:15 PM

Thanks for returning it back to normal! Definitely in the "hated it" group. :)
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Posted 07 September 2011 - 04:58 AM

For the few who did speak up, there were only 1 uploader, who liked the reverse order and you're the only downloader who hated it. I think you maybe the only downloader who checks out sections with no content in them .
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Posted 17 November 2011 - 11:34 AM

thanks for informing us
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Posted 17 November 2011 - 06:00 PM

thanks for informing us


Post order is now back to normal, many of the uploaders didn't like it.
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